And that is all good information, Cliff.
My focus is on the Black Hole/Black Eye reality. When talking supernovas, we go off topic. The topic is whether matter can collapse onto itself and then can become invisible to all scientific instruments, or whether the scientific brain can invest itself in a religious position that cannot be proven (note: the gravitational phenomenon is real in both models, but the BH model contains something a bit fantastic, scientifically).
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I hope you appreciate how complicated it is already to discuss the following four outcomes, keeping them apart.
Speed of spin establishes two outcomes.
1/ Slow spin, collection of matter in the center possible (i.e. our Sun can indeed exist because all that light-weighted material collected in that spot, almost nothing 'heavy' is present in the Sun).
2/ Fast spin, making it very hard for matter to collect in the center. There is so much mass in a galaxy, all with their own individual gravitational pulls, it will be tough for a mass to sit in the center of them all.
A single mass is different from the behavior of many masses.
3/ Gravity of Earth has the strongest pull at the surface (entire planet in opposite location of that spot). Move halfway into the planet and gravity's pull will already be diverse but the main direction is still the center of the planet. In the center itself, gravity is net-zero, which does not mean there is no gravity; it just means it is in balance.
4/ The gravitational pull of all these different masses in a galaxy will cause a collective outcome for gravity. This is in my opinion undeniable. So, what model are we picking? The one that has all gravitational pulls of these masses cause an enormous depression in the galactic center (with the exact center point itself being net-zero)? Or explain that synergistic outcome by adding matter that has collapsed onto itself that not even the best scientific instruments can pick up.
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I don't mind what you are saying, Cliff, but when it comes down to invisible forces (and forces are always invisible), then we must be willing to discuss two models. If not, then we stand in two different positions and no one can undermine the other model -- until we or our instruments have entered the Black Hole/Black Eye itself.
On planet Earth, there is no invisible mass in the Eye of the Storm.
Occam's razor picks the Black Eye model because all is truly there, nothing is obscure. We just need to accept that gravity is invisible. We do not need to accept as well that matter can collapse onto itself and then become invisible to our scientific instruments.
Supernovas? We know for certain that they are real. We can see them with our scientific instruments.
Thank you for your replies. I appreciate them.
