It appears we are talking minor distinctions; I am a little bored by it (sorry).
Allow me to take this conversation toward our reviewing Spacetime and point to a minor distinction with major implications.
There is the majority view of Spacetime, and then there is Albert Einstein's Spacetime. I will have to unpack this carefully, while I have only few grounds for the subtle distinction between both Spacetime views.
Einstein gave us the term Spacetime to work with as part of his theory of relativity.
Yet when physicists used his Spacetime to end up with predicting Black Holes, Einstein objected.
That means that Einstein had a different framework in mind than these subsequent users of Spacetime.
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The point I am trying to make is that we do not have any scientific evidence available to us to make Spacetime indeed be as Einstein intended or to make it as understood by these subsequent physicists.
Just to be clear, Rex, I am with Einstein, not with the subsequent physicists.
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Question to you if you see what I am talking about?
Do you recognize that there is the possibility that Einstein's original view on Spacetime is still intact? Or do you state that with the images we see about the gravitational monster that this discussion is closed?
Instead of a Black Hole, there would then be a Black Eye where we witness the gravitational monster.