Nice try, Andre, but you are turning the tables on me and that is not right.

Matter and energy exist in a closed system, all are saying so. One can become the other, and vice versa. But a dog is an animal and an animal can be a dog but not automatically so; these two words cannot swap places unhindered. Matter is energy, but energy is not necessarily matter.

• Matter is the only part we know for a fact appeared 13.8 billion years ago, all are saying and we all agree.

There is no evidence that energy got created, that time got created, that space got created during the materialization process; truly zero, zilch, nada, nix, nothing at all.

• We know about matter, because it is with matter that we know.

Scientists are not high priests: They actually do not proclaim that matter is energy and make that the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Their presentation would otherwise be flawed because they would then not acknowledge the larger structure. They would then be proclaiming this matter is energy to be the largest structure and that melds too many things into one.

Understand what I am saying; it is not that you are describing a lie when you say that "matter is energy" but you are not acknowledging the larger structure in which this exists. That is why you are turning the table because you can't separate original energy from damaged energy and pulled-in energy — you do not see it. It is perhaps hard to envision that matter is just a small part derived from original energy.

But look at scientists. They work with dark energy, with Dark Matter, so why not accept that original energy existed prior to the materialization process?

Energy does not get lost — all say so and all agree. That means you have to provide the evidence that energy got started up somehow, because that is not what the scientific lingua franca says. You are the one contradicting that energy does not get lost.

Would my truth be the exact truth? I am not saying that either. But I am pointing at the larger structure in which there can be two closed system without violating any laws. And two closed systems allow indeed for a better description of what we are seeing than one closed system.

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— Energy does not get lost

— All started to exist with the materialization process

These two sentences cannot be spoken by one and the same person. Only a Cyclops can say them, thinking both can be correct at the same time, melding aspects into one that aren't one.