Thank you, David, for declaring your positions.

We do not stand in the same grounds.

The beginning of what we know to be the beginning is only the beginning of the material universe.

We cannot claim that all started then, because our scientific hands are empty for anything prior.

To meld all into one (time, space, energy, and matter all appearing at once), that is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence. There is none.

All we have is the first appearance of matter. Nothing else.

Well, we can throw in the reality that energy does not get lost.

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The ancients had a different model than modern physicists. Just look at the Norse Gods who started out with the All-Father hanging himself on the Tree of Life (which he survived, but then created the other Gods in the process).

So, that brings us to the real theater of what happened back then, 13.8 billion years ago.

Two scenarios are available.

A: The original state ended up shooting itself in the foot (hanging itself and worse), and that undermined the setup.

In a plain analogy, the original Vase established a floor on which it shattered, so today we have the shattered pieces + the importance of space in between the pieces.

B: The original state was divided and agreed to unite and this process went terribly wrong. As a result, the shattered pieces of the Vase represent that desire to unite, while unification was never real; in this model it was always a fantasy.

I focus on the mechanics of what could have taken place. I model based on structural thinking (and the known data, not the popular extractions of the known data).

Singularity? That is such a 1970s word. Most physicists don't support this idea any longer and they now use the term singularity to declare that specific location in which their mathematical models don't make any sense any longer.

About returning to the original state?

A broken Vase does not become whole by itself.

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Lastly therefore, the broken toy analogy.

When walking into a room with a broken toy on the floor, we know two things for a fact:

1. The toy is in tatters, but nothing of the toy disappeared.

2. The special trick the toy was capable performing is now gone, forever.

I work with logic, David, and with structural thinking.

Structural thinking is the highest discipline humans can engage themselves in.

It is actually also part of science, because scientists work with models. Nevertheless, many scientists turn structural thinking into a sport with their grouping around models with the greatest popularity.

I rather embrace six different models all about the same data than picking a single one that 'must be the one'. A cat, a dog, an elephant, a crocodile, a monkey, and a fish tell me more about life than when I had picked just one of them.

As said, the All-Father died on the Tree of Life, so the One is no longer real. And perhaps was never real.

Thank you for your response. I am with the ancients. It appears that you are not.