Wally, the oldest scientific data we have is the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation.

Anything suggested to have taken place before that point is based on modeling, not on data of those moments themselves.

So, we are already looking back in time that we do not have data about. The singularity of the Big Bang model, which represents the non-mathematical position that folks know they can't figure out, is 'just' the result of the model.

I suggest a different model, while also having the CMBR be the oldest data. So from the CMBR on, both models are more or less in agreement.

Yet prior to the CMBR, the models are different.

What I bring is more logical than what the BB model brings because I do not need a singularity at all. I actually reject the notion that we can have a full ONE position anywhere in the material universe at any time, and that it is the LACK of ONE that explains the results we inhabit.

My model is mechanically complete, whereas the Big Bang model starts halfway the story and has that weird singularity there.

So, if we are to communicate further, then it will have to be about these two models.

They are like Rubin's Vase. In one option, we see the Vase. In the other option, we see the Two Faces.

Big Bang = Vase. Big Whisper = Two Faces.

Thank you for your reply. I appreciate it.